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  • dorok
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    Duped into crashing and burning?

    We all know the CCP struck a deal with the population after Tiananmen square: wealth in exchange for unquestioning obedience. When th government's credibility was gone and any other country would have rebelled and replaced the regime, the greedy and craven mainland decided to stick with it.

    Reagan opened up trade relations with China a while later, and since then the economy has filled the vacuum. Growth is a great source of national pride now, as more and more people are getting access to luxury goods.

    But China is still far behind, even in consumption. Ivory and endangered animal trade is banned, peak oil has passed already, modern culture values individualism and frowns upon conspicuous consumption.

    More and more people are realizing that our current economic system is unworkable. Everything is still set up to chase that 17th century dream of colonial trade profits. Yes, even today there are new niches opportunities and markets in which people can make tremendous profits, but often it's just because things are set up to generate these opportunities. Consumer culture is promoted, loans and creditcards allow people to consume beyond their means if they are willing to be that stupid. And Chinese consumers are nothing if not stupid.

    China also has an obsession with possessions. Cargo cult and gift-giving culture. There seems to be a belief that having nice things automatically makes you a good person without further effort. It comes as no surprise that China is now a massive producer of trinkets, and gets profit from their export.

    What I wonder, is whether this was what Reagan planned from the start. Offering the CCP a way to deliver the promised wealth by creating an insane consumer culture in China. But it can't last forever, because resources are dwindling.

    While the west is focusing on energy efficiency, alternative fuel sources, recycling and environmentalism, China is still massively polluting, lighting up city skylines like decorated Christmas trees, wasting lots of resources on poor-quality cyclical consumption goods, burning coal, you name it.

    Will this end in disaster for the people here? Once resources become depleted, China will face poverty and turmoil while the west has shifted to more durable paradigms.

    9 years agoin Money & Banking-Shenzhen
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  • jeanda
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    Here is an example of the rights of the individual over the rights of the masses. Take the Sentinelese people of the Andaman islands. The most isolated people on the planet. Uncontacted, they still live in the stone age. The world as a whole agrees to leave them alone to live their stone age existance. Why? Do they not care about infant mortalilty of the Sentinelese? Should the sentinelese not be entitled to have an iphone if they should want one?

    It's the same with China. Many people see China become a consumer society and they don't like it. They don't like the consumer society at home, so they feel their own ideals should be enforced here.

    9 years ago
  • chong
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    Is there a perfect system? No, of course not.

    So, as usual, I will defend the Chinese Government, and it's system of Governence.

    Why? Do I think it's the best? Of course not, it's just no worse than any other.

    In the west we are taught that it is the individual that is important, that the rights of the individual outweigh the rights of Government to rule us. The Government belongs to us, they represent us and act on our behalf.

    Is this true..... ha ha of course not. Because in a democracy the number one job of any Government is to stay in power.

    9 years ago
  • nikola
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    I could hardly agree more with Mike whom certain "smarties" downvoted.
    China is now climbing on the top and clearly goes through the phases Europe also went through.
    It was mentioned her by ScotAlan that UK was a while ago similar and I can confirm the same for former Czechoslovakia.
    Europe has the system which clearly has no future and will be changed.
    But apparently some people have certain trouble to distinguish between a dream and reality ...

    9 years ago
  • tollef
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    People only change when they have to or when it concerns something people love more than themselves (usually their children)... greed will always prevail. Chinese are starting to realize this and I think they will more so in the next decade... especially now that the greedy officials can't just shit in their beds and run off.

    Btw - are you still in China?

    9 years ago
  • alejandro
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    Consumer societies mean more debt....and that seems to be China's big plan.

    The west is still ladling on debt, but increasingly its debt to survive not to consume.

    The whole keeping up with the Joneses is magnified 1000x in China thanks to Mianxi.

    The better your shit the better you are...shallow, immature and pathetic, so 1980s.

    I've never wanted to keep up with the Joneses, I'd much rather break into their house and butcher them in their sleep.


    miriam:

    I think the CCP is now a glorified pyramid/Ponzi scheme. The top of the pyramid is already abroad with their ill-gotten gains. Those lower down need to keep things in motion a little longer, so they can also emigrate in comfort. But I think the mass exodus of government officials says it all.
    9 years ago
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